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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby peoli » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:11 am

starchild wrote:It is clear that you don't want to see anything but the worst in anyone who does not agree with your political stance, which is as I have been trying to point out, is just what the darker forces love - deviseness ! And reminds me of all the closemined far right Repubs who do the same. I believe that is what they refer to as "the pot calling the kette black. It is easy to become what you hate. If one is truly caring about creating a more inclusive and peaceful socitey ,then it would seem to behoove one to try to find some common ground.



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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby starchild » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:14 am

I am afraid you have confused my distrust and criticism of politicians in general to be one in the same as how I think of people in general who may be a stripe or two away from my own beliefs. I have no animosity for anyone for holding a different or diverging political belief. Again,In my heart I know somewhere there to be common ground if we were able to cut through all the muck and misunderstandings. Our beliefs can only be based on experience and facts gathered to any given point. What appears to be happening is that if I critisize Obama or whomever you have personally identified with, you seem to be reacting to it as if it's been a personal attack on you, which it is not.

To my recollection though I have not called anyone any names or demeaned anyone personally. All I have been doing is posting a few articles that seem to support the fact that the same level of corruption that we have seen for some time, continues. If your heart tells you Obama is wonderful- thats great go for it - God Bless you. Ignore my posts.
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby eris » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:13 am

gruff wrote:
NO TREASON http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm

BY LYSANDER SPOONER

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What, then, is implied in a government's resting on consent?


Third. Our Constitution does not profess to have been established simply by the majority; but by "the people;" the minority, as much as the majority. [*8]

Fourth. If our fathers, in 1776, had acknowledged the principle that a majority had the right to rule the minority, we should never have become a nation; for they were in a small minority, as compared with those who claimed the right to rule over them.


"Democracy" as a pure form of government is a myth. The American founders set up a "republic," not a "democracy." According to classical republican theory (Cicero and Polybius, whom the Founders consciously followed), the people as a whole play a vital role in the government, but not a dominant role.
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby peoli » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:47 am

Exclusive: RNC document mocks donors, plays on 'fear'

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby peoli » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:58 am

Dobbs, Beck, Palin, Bachmann Share Blame For Rise in Right-Wing Extremism, Says Activist Group


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/lou-dobbs ... id=9989249
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby eris » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:06 am

peoli wrote:Dobbs, Beck, Palin, Bachmann Share Blame For Rise in Right-Wing Extremism, Says Activist Group


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/lou-dobbs ... id=9989249


As usual, when trying to explain the rise of "anti-government sentiment in the U.S.," they ignore LaRouche (see, for example, this thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1485).
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby peoli » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:02 am

Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice


On his daily radio and television shows last week, Fox News personality Glenn Beck set out to convince his audience that "social justice," the term many Christian churches use to describe their efforts to address poverty and human rights, is a "code word" for communism and Nazism. Beck urged Christians to discuss the term with their priests and to leave their churches if leaders would not reconsider their emphasis on social justice.

"I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"

Later, Beck held up cards, one with a hammer and sickle and other with a swastika. "Communists are on the left, and the Nazis are on the right. That's what people say. But they both subscribe to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. . . . But on each banner, read the words, here in America: 'social justice.' They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy."

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/08 ... ach-social
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby Ely » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:28 am

Noam Chomsky Compares Right-Wing Media to Nazi Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHEuudJ ... &index=111
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby eris » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:33 am

peoli wrote:Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice


Back in the 60s, there was an alliance between mainstream Christian groups and the Civil Rights movement, which severely threatened the established order of things. It seems to me that the Establishment has been trying ever since to take "social justice" out of the Christian vocabulary, but it's really hard to do... One good thing about the Catholic Church (with all its many flaws) is that social justice is a fundamental part of their teachings.
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby Unalaq » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:27 am

<Back in the 60s, there was an alliance between mainstream Christian groups and the Civil Rights movement, which severely threatened the established order of things. It seems to me that the Establishment has been trying ever since to take "social justice" out of the Christian vocabulary, but it's really hard to do... One good thing about the Catholic Church (with all its many flaws) is that social justice is a fundamental part of their teachings.<

Yes - great observation, and very true about the Catholic Church - and most especially a number of orders of Catholic monastics - monks and nuns. For some orders, social justice is really IT - their driving reason for being. :)

I have to say also that alhough I did not read the Chomsky link, I am disappointed in Chomsky for getting into this "Nazi/Hitler" stuff as I really believe it has no place in the political discussion, and infact, as others have stated previously, trivializes the horrifying, deadly outcomes of Nazism of WW II. I have found much to admire in Chomsky's work, but am really disgusted with the whole Nazi references thing going on in the current national/political landscape.
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby peoli » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:34 pm

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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby gruff » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:05 pm

That one wasnt funny. Sometimes he is funny though.
Unless of course you like Joseph Goebbles tactics. HA! Take that Nazi deniers! First they came for the....and I did nothing. Then they came for....and I did nothing. Authoritarianism must be confronted whenever it appears.

Here is an excellent video brought to you by the Southern Avenger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45JSYIuTk0Y
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby Ely » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:46 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/be ... index.html

(CNN) -- An evangelical leader is calling for a boycott of Glenn Beck's television show and challenging the Fox News personality to a public debate after Beck vilified churches that preach economic and social justice.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, a network of progressive Christians, says Beck perverted Jesus' message when he urged Christians last week to leave churches that preach social and economic justice.

Wallis says Beck compared those churches to Communists and Nazis.

Wallis says at least 20,000 people have already responded to his call to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy with the Bible.

"He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."

Wallis says he wants to go on Beck's show to challenge the contention that churches shouldn't preach economic and social justice.

Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message, Wallis says.

"He's afraid of being challenged on his silly caricatures," Wallis says. "Glenn Beck talks a lot when he doesn't have someone to dialogue with. Is he willing to talk with someone who he doesn't agree with?"

Beck did not answer numerous requests for an interview
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby gruff » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:01 am

There is nothing spiritual about enslaving others as the terms "economic and social justice" imply. All those terms mean is bullying at best, or complete authoritarian control at worst.

Thats not to say you can not organize yourselves however you like. But why take that extra step and tell somebody else you must take this step?
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Re: The Conservative Party

Postby Ely » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:44 am

The words social justice hold meaning beyond their political stigma and perversion that may arise. Saying social justice is inherently evil concept is like saying individual rights is a inherently evil concept. Anything and all things can and will be distorted.

AS far as I can see social justice is individual justice -if either one is compromised so to is the other.
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