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[Dustin]

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The thermos was for the kid to drink something?

I so basically you think she`s been poisoning the kid.

His Moon is sandwiched between Neptune and Uranus, and Saturn is in the 4th with Ceres...that would be enough for neglect to me and "behaviour altering" food intake.

If that wasn`t enough her Mars/Saturn opposses the Moon/Uranus quite tightly and also squares his Mars in 2nd (nourishment). I believe, among other things, this sort of displaced conjunction between Mars and Saturn she has may show a double behaviour (kill and fix) of sorts and it`s obviously involved in all sorts of quite, really harsh aspects for a mother/kid relationship.

Luckily, so far, he`s kind of tough with all the Taurus.

I`ll see if anything else comes to mind later.

[Maurice]

You know this is the kind of thing that you cannot really confrim thorugh astrology. You can see "issues", but how far does it go?

Neptune squaring this Scorpio/Taurus Nodes can show that--ruler of South node = Pluto square his Pisces Sun can show that...but it doesnt mean that this kind of thing HAS to happen with this chart.

I'm afriad that the only way to know is to take the next thermos to a lab, or else bring the doctor's attention next time he is in the hospital to check for poisonning.

I can imagine how hard it must be to have this kind of suspicion. All the best with it.

[Carol]

Hi Dustin,

I didn't read the wikipedia page, but you seem to think Dana might be poisoning Aiden....?

I agree with Maurice that the skill to provide a definitive "yes/no" would be hard to come by. However, I will analyze the charts provided while keeping your concerns in mind.

The first warning sign in their relationship arises from H7. Here lies Dana's natal Chiron where it squares her n-Venus Leo/H10. That square alone could indicate problems within her relationship to Aiden's father; however, because her n-Venus occupies the sign of Leo and in goal-oriented H10, I am further suspicious of it. It is my primitive understanding of Munchhausen Syndrome that it occurs when one parent requires the additional attention that having a sick or dead child may provide for them. Unfortunately, such an outward need for attention shown in Dana's chart may be projected outwardly through Aiden's n-NN/H7, this being conjunct Dana's wounded Chiron. If this analysis is accurate, there exists the possibility that Aiden functions as Dana's outward manifestation of her Chiron wound (which would appear to be an attention oriented wound).

While such a statement may be sound presumptive, it is compounded by the fact that Aiden's n-Chiron occupies his H4 (upping the stakes that he can be wounded here). Concerning Aiden's Chiron, it is in a tough position by itself (conj IC/Capr), but it doesn't help that it is loosely conj Dana's n-Ceres -- thus indicating her style of mothering regarding Aiden (that is, if I'm correct about my astoids). While the above analysis may indicate any number of other scenario's, because Aiden's n-Neptune (poison) squares Dana's n-Pluto (the hidden) in her H12 (unknown enemy) perhaps some toxicology tests could be done if these would alleviate your worst fears before moving.

[Nura]

Hey,

you need to trust your intuition dustin, in might not be the exact answer right away, but it leads you down the right trail...i will put this situation in my prayers..

maybe , and this is just feeling into it a bit, he is scared of having no home, no place to go...if he says no to his mom's actions..sacrifice himself to his mom???

his sun is on his mothers south node, might be expressing her unhealed karma with kids, and the emotional paradox see saw of aries/libra in relationship...
her node rulers, Venus in Leo, balsamic phase to Mars in Virgo with Saturn sandwiched in between, all in his fifth house- speaks volumes! She has a very poor image as relates to men, not sure what herrelationship with your dad is like..that saturn is a big thorn in the side of closure of this venus and mars cycle, attracting men who are self-involved babies, ..or it can e the saving grace- to regain inner authority


her mars on his Jupiter
her jupiter on his Ceres saturn
his north node has venus (kidney on it) and her chiron is on it...survival on mom
major healing needed!

these are issues, dont know about poisioning

[Moon in Scorpio]

Hey Dustin,

This is a difficult one, and I am not sure what to say. Nevertheless, I feel the kidney issue is reflected in his Venus/Nodes square Neptune. Her Uranus falls on this configuration, so I see why you may be tempted to link it with your sister´s personal upheavels. All this was recently activated with the Sun/Mars opposition last Month. It may be an opportunity to check whether the child had any difficulties with his kidneys. Uranus, incidently, rules your sister´s 5th house.

I hope you understand the suspicion regarding the smell of amonia is indeed a VERY serious accusation. Nevertheless, if you are certain of it, you need to take action.

[LeAnn]

Hello Dustin,

I don't have that much to add astrologically....others have given you such good advice...so I'm only adding that I'm thinking of you and hoping you can just use your keen powers of observation and intelligence to get to the heart of the matter...as horrific as the possibility is...

I'm sorry...this is so stressful to have to even consider the possibility...as m mentioned, taking him to the doctor next time he is sick and asking that he be tested is a good idea...or taking any thermos he brings...I guess pretty obvious things.

You need to take care of yourself so you can help him..try to be strong and centered within yourself...maybe it would help to think of approaching this from a place of love...trying to see what the truth is in a place of neutrality...I'm not sure if it helps...but in the meantime, I'm wishing you guidance...LeAnn

[Dustin]

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[Qidancer]

Just saw this Dustin--I remember the post very well. You are so intuitive, I think it is imperative for you to follow your thinking. Do you know anybody at school that is in a counseling profession--would have resources for you to check out. The discretion part is hard, because I would think you could contact Aiden's physician(s). Munchausen's and M by proxy does exist--for astro purposes the Saturn/Ceres in Cancer, mom Moon/Ceres in Capricorn--some level of projection there?

I know there is a toll free poison control, maybe they can point you to other resources. Maybe a company that does drug testing for businesses?

Is there anyway anyone can keep Aidan for awhile to see how he recovers without his mother for awhile--to see if there is a difference?

My prayers are with you and yours now.

Lisa

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Dustin wrote:
Aiden came over when i lived in my old house. He had a thermos with him. My sister was in a rush when she dropped him off, that's what I remember.

Also, why would she bring the thermos over to our house? That can't be right..
"would dana be stupid enough to bring the stuff into our house, if so?"

Dustin, my advice is, now that you are aware that something is very wrong, keep
investigating until the picture is clear, you already notice that "bringing the thermos to your house was strange", do not put yourself in a vulnerable position, what ever is happening can be totally different than what it appears.

Sis Dana can be working in more than one agenda!

[Ari Moshe]

Dear Dustin,
Good for you for posting this. Dana has Cancer sun squaring the libra 12th aries 6th nodes, in the 9th house. That speaks volumes here. That Sun is also on his Saturn.

As her brother, as his uncle, and as an astrologer who knows what he's looking at I feel you are doing a good job by listening to your intuition.
Your conscious will lead you.

Perhaps you'd be interested in creating an ceremony for yourself to honor this and pray for guidance that in the end whatever takes place will be the best for all souls involved, and to give thanks for that. This allows you to see this from a higher spiritual perspective in addition to the very human and challenging perspective.

My best wishes to you and your family

[Carol]

Hi Dustin,

I hope you accept my apologies as I feel my response to your query might have been too direct, considering the pain you must be in.

As the board knows, I am such a beginner at Evolutionary Astrology. Some of the other members pointed out some really good stuff, so be sure to take my contribution only as you see fit.

All the best,
Carol

[231]

The old aspect for poisoning at any end of the spectrum is Venus/Saturn, and Dana actually has that, in Leo, Saturn being 5th house "co-ruler". As i said may be neglect, may be fatality. .

I`ve looked to the kids Firdar and he is in a "one in a lifetime" Saturn`s "sub-period" of the Sun major one, since end of 2009 till beginning of 2011, this touches directly his health, friends, and "open enemies" and basically would represent a clearly negative moment for his health given the state of the Sun and Saturn (one has to consider dignities to make sense of timing methods like this, the Sun has most dignities on the ascendant so its definitely pointing to his health, and his mind as being "molded" by this angular Saturn).

In light of the coming Saturn/Uranus on his Sun, and nodes on the parental axis, i believe this is a critical point for him.

I do believe you are probably right and the kids lucky to have you arround.

Maybe having one of those recipients to take samples of urine handy is not a bad idea for one.

All the best

[astraya]

Dustin, this is absolutely heart-wrenching...the one suggestion I would have is to sit down with your sister and not necessarily directly accuse her but explore the possibilities and perhaps explore the link between her relationship dramas and your nephew's illness. I'm sure you've talked about how you've noticed how very sensitive he is to his environment. I think you will be able to tell how much she is invested in your nephew getting well or if she is invested in her own drama. Bringing the thermos to your house, if contaminated, seems like a cry for help however unconscious it may be...

If it is Mancheusen's the basic issue to be addressed is your sister's need for attention.

Hopefully that will give you a clearer picture when you can look into her eyes.

I'm sending you strength & love...

[astraya]

I'm just realizing I should flesh out my last post...

First, my intuition says that Muncheusan's (I spelled it wrong last time) works on a subconscious level because no mother would consciously do that to their kid. It's like a split-personality or a possession or something. So if it is Muncheusan's, in effect you need to call out that side of her personality without being confrontational and just let it know that you are on to it.

Second, your nephew is sensitive enough that he may just be reacting to her need for someone else to be pulled in to her drama and it may not be Muncheusan's.

So that's why I say that your sister's emotional needs should be addressed first. It sounded like I wasn't thinking about your nephew when I said that before.

But once you've explore these issues you'll know better how to address them and/or the urgency of the situation.

Still sending strength & love...